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for your him it had to begin wednesday night in denver. romney had just a rough three weeks. he's had a rough three months. you could argue that romney hasn't, quote, won a month in this campaign since may or june. a trailing campaign has just a handful of opportunities to fundamentally change the trajectory of a race. it's losing. barring an october surprise, the three debates that kick off wednesday night are romney's last chance. the president rallied supporters sunday night kicking off his eighth trip to nevada this year before 00 kwering down for two full days for debate prep at a lakeside resort in suburban las vegas. >> you may have heard that in a few days my opponent in this election and i are going to have a debate. i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. >> you are. >> i don't know about that. >> both campaigns from the candidates on down have been frantically spinning to lower expectations for wednesday night. >> governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama is a very experienced speaker,
for your him it had to begin wednesday night in denver. romney had just a rough three weeks. he's had a rough three months. you could argue that romney hasn't, quote, won a month in this campaign since may or june. a trailing campaign has just a handful of opportunities to fundamentally change the trajectory of a race. it's losing. barring an october surprise, the three debates that kick off wednesday night are romney's last chance. the president rallied supporters sunday night kicking off his...
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mitchell reports," a bout last night, president obama and governor romney, what both are saying about their debate performance. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> last night i thought was a great opportunity for the american people to see two very din visions for the country. and i think it was helpful to be able to describe those visions. i saw the president's vision as trickle down government and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> overnight polls and "the denver post" give round one to romney. as a republican challenger went after the president's record. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, and economic crisis at the kitchen table, and spent his energy and passion for two
mitchell reports," a bout last night, president obama and governor romney, what both are saying about their debate performance. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> last...
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hi, tamron. >> a victory for mitt romney, but did he win because he's so vague last night. ezra kline joins us. what might be the million dollar question. why didn't president obama bring up romney's 47% remarks? bain capital or even more details on romney's taxes. well, patrick gaspar from the dnc will join me live. we'll find out what he knows. our "news nation" political panel today are all with me live, and we have some breaking news regarding the fbi now in libya. "news nation" is up next. [ male announcer ] attention medicare beneficiaries. open enrollment is here. the time to choose your medicare coverage begins october 15th and ends december 7th. so call to enroll in a plan that could give you the benefits and stability you're looking for, an aarp medicarecomplete plan insured through unitedhealthcare. what makes it complete? it can combines medicare parts a and b, which is your hospital and doctor coverage with part d prescription drug coverage, and more, all in one simple plan starting at a zero dollar monthly premium -- no more than what you already pay for medic
hi, tamron. >> a victory for mitt romney, but did he win because he's so vague last night. ezra kline joins us. what might be the million dollar question. why didn't president obama bring up romney's 47% remarks? bain capital or even more details on romney's taxes. well, patrick gaspar from the dnc will join me live. we'll find out what he knows. our "news nation" political panel today are all with me live, and we have some breaking news regarding the fbi now in libya....
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another top story, when donors were at romney's hotel last night, rob portman came by. as one aide told us, portman played a better president obama than the president himself. >> peter alexander traveling with the romney campaign. back over to chuck todd. same question to you. having seen that bizarre development of people in the crowd at an obama rally wondering what was going on last night. >> yeah, that was unbelievable. it's safe to say the swagger and over confidence is gone from this campaign. and i would call it anxiety from them today. this is the way the obama campaign tried to act today. number one, they put out the first ad using debate footage, calling mitt romney dishonest. david plouffe, senien strategis used the word dishonest for not being honest nearly a dozen times this afternoon, so they're trying to put the focus on mitt romney and saying hey, he gave a great performance, but didn't exactly, wasn't exactly honest. it was rally therapy out here though. he did have 30,000 people show up in madison. >> wrapping it up for us tonight. thanks. we have two
another top story, when donors were at romney's hotel last night, rob portman came by. as one aide told us, portman played a better president obama than the president himself. >> peter alexander traveling with the romney campaign. back over to chuck todd. same question to you. having seen that bizarre development of people in the crowd at an obama rally wondering what was going on last night. >> yeah, that was unbelievable. it's safe to say the swagger and over confidence is gone...
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guess who uttered 500 more words than the president last night? mitt romney. we did the check. 7,890 words. obama, 7,354. it goes to the ideas and explains he was listless and a little bit, shall we say, he pondered a long time. >> we've seen him ponder a lot in the speeches. it was business consultant versus college professor. sort of harvard versus harvard. no question harvard business school versus harvard law school. no question that president obama showed his campaign has been doing the work for him and mitt romney has been doing the work for his campaign. we'll see what happens going forward. pout a question, the obama supporters were on their heels last night. were disappointed. wondering, where was this guy who they've been seeing in the tv commercials going so hard at mitt romney? he was clearly trying to be too presidential and not going after romney. >> we can't escape the fact. four of the last five incumbent presidents had lost the first debate. it's unbelievable. you have to say there is something to this. >> they're not used to being challenged
guess who uttered 500 more words than the president last night? mitt romney. we did the check. 7,890 words. obama, 7,354. it goes to the ideas and explains he was listless and a little bit, shall we say, he pondered a long time. >> we've seen him ponder a lot in the speeches. it was business consultant versus college professor. sort of harvard versus harvard. no question harvard business school versus harvard law school. no question that president obama showed his campaign has been doing...
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we have expected all along that governor romney will have a good night. he is prepared more than any candidate in history. and he has shown himself to be a very good debater through the years. so we understand that this is an important moment. we're just going to continue to make the case we have throughout the campaign, through the convention, to the american people. governor romney, they say he has practiced zingers and lines for months and months. we're sure he'll put on a show on wednesday night. >> you played a huge role in 2008 in debate prep. what have you told the president? there's an incumbent trap. don't fall into it. what does he have to do right? >> challengers benefit from this, being on the same stage has traditionally benefited the challenger. so the president is not worried about zingers and lines. he's got time with the american people to explain his case for re-election, about what he wants to do on the economy, how to focus on the middle class. that's what we've done through the whole campaign. it's been consistent day after day trying
we have expected all along that governor romney will have a good night. he is prepared more than any candidate in history. and he has shown himself to be a very good debater through the years. so we understand that this is an important moment. we're just going to continue to make the case we have throughout the campaign, through the convention, to the american people. governor romney, they say he has practiced zingers and lines for months and months. we're sure he'll put on a show on wednesday...
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. >> the man on stage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. >> mitt romney was greeted with thunderous applause this morning. at a speech to conservatives. >> last night, i thought was a great opportunity for the american people to see very different visions for the county >> the morning after, even supporters said the president seemed tentative, defensive, frequently looking down at his notes perhaps like some of his predecessors in debate, ford, carter, bush and bush. almost too accustomed to the oval office. not used to being challenged. most surprising, the president did not use some of his most potent attack lines. mitt romney's comments to we will thee contributors that 47% of the country don't pay federal income taxes or are dependent on the federal government. or romney's position on women's health issues. the president's surrogates tried to shift the subject to romney. >> romney says he's going to cut loopholes, but won't name them. romney said i'm going to place obamacare but won
. >> the man on stage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. >> mitt romney was greeted with thunderous applause this morning. at a speech to conservatives. >> last night, i thought was a great opportunity for the american people to see very different visions for the county >> the morning after, even supporters said the president seemed tentative, defensive, frequently looking...
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no question this was mitt romney's night on style, on kind of resetting where the campaign was. and that's a question i think we have to step out and ask ourselves. did this night fundamentally alter the trajectory of the race? for mitt romney he needed to play for more time. where the polls are going into this race, where the president was starting to open up a lead. he needed people not to close their minds and not give him a chance and tune him out. he may have gotten another chance. and president obama needed to close the sale, and he didn't do that tonight. >> chuck todd out in the spin room in denver. to savannah's pot, the romney campaigns need to play for time. and the numbers that are still out there and able to be on the move despite, as we keep pointing out, the fact that voting, chuck, is under way in 34 out of the 50 states. >> but look, there is some fluidity. we know that there is some places, particularly in some of the battleground states, virginia and florida and colorado where we are tonight, in particular where the president hadn't been opening up a lead. yes
no question this was mitt romney's night on style, on kind of resetting where the campaign was. and that's a question i think we have to step out and ask ourselves. did this night fundamentally alter the trajectory of the race? for mitt romney he needed to play for more time. where the polls are going into this race, where the president was starting to open up a lead. he needed people not to close their minds and not give him a chance and tune him out. he may have gotten another chance. and...
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they had just about given up on romney before last night. they needed -- they really needed romney to do well last night. otherwise, they would have just folded their tent. unfortunately, they got the boost last night that they needed. because romney did breathe new life into the campaign. now for the next week, right it's going to be oh, my god, oh, my god, we gotta bounce now. we didn't get a bounce out of paul ryan or tampa but now yeah romney proved he's up to the task. he showed that he's capable of holding his own against president obama and this is going to re-energize the republicans. just when we had them down for the count we let them back up. off the canvas. should never have done it. should never have let it happened. all right. more calls coming up and we'll talk to reporter from the hill, niles standage in the next segment here of the "full court press." >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >>and now to my point. that is a whole bunch of bunk! the powerful my steal an election but they cannot steal democracy. (vo) cenk
they had just about given up on romney before last night. they needed -- they really needed romney to do well last night. otherwise, they would have just folded their tent. unfortunately, they got the boost last night that they needed. because romney did breathe new life into the campaign. now for the next week, right it's going to be oh, my god, oh, my god, we gotta bounce now. we didn't get a bounce out of paul ryan or tampa but now yeah romney proved he's up to the task. he showed that he's...
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mitt romney landed in colorado last night and scored the endorsement of the big guy. the legendary quarterback and now executive vice president of football operations john elway. it was the only scheduled talk. it was a stealth bomber in the background there. romney tried to tamp down expectations in the back. >> people want to know who is going to win? who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? in my view, it's not so much winning or losing or even the people themselves. it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for america that we would choose. >> playing off the enthusiastic crowd. romney had lines for the base. may even tested out a few zingers we might hear wednesday night. >> this is a home to focus on the family which is committed to preserving the foundation of america. we have to get the pipe laine from canada if i have to build it myself. >> it will kill america's entrepreneurship. >> that's the first time, by the wa
mitt romney landed in colorado last night and scored the endorsement of the big guy. the legendary quarterback and now executive vice president of football operations john elway. it was the only scheduled talk. it was a stealth bomber in the background there. romney tried to tamp down expectations in the back. >> people want to know who is going to win? who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? in my view, it's not so...
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we responded last night to the events that happened in egypt. >> romney's effort to banish his foreign policy credentials with a summer trip was widely panned after romney seemed to insult the british handling of the olympics. his campaign spent weeks trying to explain why he didn't mention the war in afghanistan in his convention speech. today, romney will try again. arguing quote, i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more pros% middle east allied with the united states. i share this hope, but hope is not a strategy. it's a message he previewed yesterday on the trail. >> i commit to you i will be a leader. when i'm president, i will take the care that it takes to rebuild our principles and restore the principles that made america so strong. >> but according to excerpts of the speech, almost every policy romney will call for, a two-state solution, free trade, going after terrorists in libya, has been pursued by the obama administration. they're out with an aggressive prebuttle. >> reckless. amateurish. that's what republicans called mitt romney's gaffe filled tour of engla
we responded last night to the events that happened in egypt. >> romney's effort to banish his foreign policy credentials with a summer trip was widely panned after romney seemed to insult the british handling of the olympics. his campaign spent weeks trying to explain why he didn't mention the war in afghanistan in his convention speech. today, romney will try again. arguing quote, i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more pros% middle east allied with the united states. i...
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romney did -- governor romney was terrific last night. he did all the things he has to do to get back in this race, and i am also mystified at the president's strategy. you know, chris, i'm a good sports fan. in fact, i even do sports tv and i write -- >> i know you do. >> and there's a great sports analogy. when you play the perfect defense when you have a lead, when you try to sit on the ball in basketball when you have got a lead, when you play conservative, what often happens is you lose the lead. and i can't for the life of me believe that that's what they did, but that's the only explanation. they told the president, don't be confrontational. they told the president, be above it all, act presidential. but the one thing that gets me when i was running for re-election as mayor and when i was running for re-election as governor and even d.a., i had a passion for what we'd accomplished. i had a passion to explain where we didn't ak plir something, why we didn't, what the road blocks were, and he could have done that without being aggres
romney did -- governor romney was terrific last night. he did all the things he has to do to get back in this race, and i am also mystified at the president's strategy. you know, chris, i'm a good sports fan. in fact, i even do sports tv and i write -- >> i know you do. >> and there's a great sports analogy. when you play the perfect defense when you have a lead, when you try to sit on the ball in basketball when you have got a lead, when you play conservative, what often happens is...
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the guy who showed up on wednesday night was not, quote, the real mitt romney. the president virtually accused him of lying. >> governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. >> briefing report is white house senior adviser david plouffe used the words dishonest or the phrase not being honest nearly a dozen times. that's also the message of a new ad on romney's tax plan from the obama campaign. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? if we can't trust him here, how could we ever trust him here? >> the romney campaign has taken issue of course with what the obama campaign uses which is a tax policy center analysis. in that ad that draws on the -- to argue that mitt romney's tax plan depends on a $5 trillion tax cut that's not paid for. the conclusion they drew is the only way you offset those tax cuts over ten years, after handcuffing yourself on the pledges that romney has made to reduce tax
the guy who showed up on wednesday night was not, quote, the real mitt romney. the president virtually accused him of lying. >> governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. >> briefing report is white house senior adviser david plouffe used the words dishonest or the phrase not being honest nearly a dozen times. that's also the message of a new ad on romney's tax...
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mitt romney has been here since monday night. with me now is former colorado governor billowens. the second of three colorado governors i have on my show today. let me start with the same question i asked governor hickenlooper. why is colorado a swing state? what do you tell friends and families and colleagues when they ask what makes colorado such a right down the middle state? >> it is one of the best educated states in the country in terms of college graduates it is the best educated state in the country. we really are a microcosm of the country. a lot of coloradoens came from other states. and so it's a nice place to battle out the country's elections. and as you probably pointed out earlier we have gone all sorts of ways in presidential elections. we have elected democratic governors. i think the coloradoens take a look at the candidate and vote for the person they think will do the best job for colorado and the country. >> it seems to me in watching what i feel like the conversation colorado voters are having with each other is that the president thinks women voters and soc
mitt romney has been here since monday night. with me now is former colorado governor billowens. the second of three colorado governors i have on my show today. let me start with the same question i asked governor hickenlooper. why is colorado a swing state? what do you tell friends and families and colleagues when they ask what makes colorado such a right down the middle state? >> it is one of the best educated states in the country in terms of college graduates it is the best educated...
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mitt romney sold something last night that can't be true. all of the independent analysis says -- and i take issue with some of your research there. as voters start to dig more into this pitch they're going to realize it's actually too good to be true. >> doug, there's a point to that. mitt romney has said he doesn't want to, for example, raise the rates on capital gains or dividends but analysis, i believe including your own, although i'm not sure it's your own, did say that those rates would have to go up on the wealthy, too, to make this close to working. >> that wasn't my analysis. the point raised by you and others is that there are now plans that conservatives have put together which meet the specifications of mr. romney and don't raise taxes on the middle class. there are plans that the democrats have put together that do raise tax on the middle class. that says this can be done and the issue is what will be done. on that i would say i don't think the president is in a strong position of pointing fingers. he has been saying he wants t
mitt romney sold something last night that can't be true. all of the independent analysis says -- and i take issue with some of your research there. as voters start to dig more into this pitch they're going to realize it's actually too good to be true. >> doug, there's a point to that. mitt romney has said he doesn't want to, for example, raise the rates on capital gains or dividends but analysis, i believe including your own, although i'm not sure it's your own, did say that those rates...
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did that 6% look at robbie last night and they missed -- at romney last night and say this is somebody who looked better some were paying attention. for those, the answer has to be yes. you are going to see a bump in the polls for romney. he cannot tell from a polling last night. i believe 67% said -- believe romney won the debate. that is a stunning number. usually, our side thinks our diet one, their side thinks their dive one, and it comes about even in the wash. it was decisive. >> quickly, explain to a group of people, where i doubt there is an undecided voters in this room, what do they look like? who are they? >> they look like the kind of people who ask the waiter to come back because they have not decided on what they have for dinner. when you look at undecided voters, generally taken to be younger women than anything else. in this case, what i am seeing, it is an even division between men and women, there can be more independent, but somewhat conservative to moderate, but what is interesting is only 18% undecided voters and swing states say the country is going in the right d
did that 6% look at robbie last night and they missed -- at romney last night and say this is somebody who looked better some were paying attention. for those, the answer has to be yes. you are going to see a bump in the polls for romney. he cannot tell from a polling last night. i believe 67% said -- believe romney won the debate. that is a stunning number. usually, our side thinks our diet one, their side thinks their dive one, and it comes about even in the wash. it was decisive. >>...
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>> i think it was a great night for mitt romney. i think the doom and gloom that's been hanging over the romney campaign, republicans in general has lifted tonight. i think that the democratic advance which began literally a month ago when clint eastwood walked out on stage ended tonight. i think the race is going to tighten. i think mitt romney was in command of this from the beginning. i'm not sure that he lost an exchange during the entire debate. a startling performance in my view and just the context of how good mitt romney was tonight. >> i thought that in terms of individual exchanges i think what may have been most notable, there wasn't i think a single direct attack against mitt romney from president obama. however, they substantively dealt with policy matters. >> he was looking down tonight. he was passive. he was abstract in his answers. mitt romney was talking about real people, giving real examples. i thought he was clear. he was concise. i think the president was muddled tonight. i just wonder, we talked about this ear
>> i think it was a great night for mitt romney. i think the doom and gloom that's been hanging over the romney campaign, republicans in general has lifted tonight. i think that the democratic advance which began literally a month ago when clint eastwood walked out on stage ended tonight. i think the race is going to tighten. i think mitt romney was in command of this from the beginning. i'm not sure that he lost an exchange during the entire debate. a startling performance in my view and...
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and it's interesting night, and governor romney clearly had a good night by all accounts. even the obama folks and we'll see where it goes from here. >> and you'll be able to tell by who breaks a sweat behind you. >> that is right. and that is it for us here live in denver. and first, it's just the first. there are many more still to come. >> vice presidential debate coming up thursday, thanks for watching. >> welcome to hannity. we're live in we'll be joined by rob portman helping to prepare governor romney for the debate will join us tonight. senator marco rubio will be here. one of the things initial thoughts is that you saw the president in a way you've never seen him before. never before hammered this way on a sustained basis. this went on throughout the night. mitt romney energized and was staring at him the whole time, meaning the president. the president would look down, and looking to bail him out in this debate. we've never seen this before in president obama. there is a lot of ground to cover tonight of we'll check in with our focus group. we're live with a lot
and it's interesting night, and governor romney clearly had a good night by all accounts. even the obama folks and we'll see where it goes from here. >> and you'll be able to tell by who breaks a sweat behind you. >> that is right. and that is it for us here live in denver. and first, it's just the first. there are many more still to come. >> vice presidential debate coming up thursday, thanks for watching. >> welcome to hannity. we're live in we'll be joined by rob...
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and does romney the candidate stay the guy we saw on saturday night. >> just when we think we have a game changing moment that something else happens, and these polls showing a romney advantage, i still don't think we have polls showing whether those jobs numbers from friday. >> if that maretters, right. you guys have narrowed it down to six states. iowa has been the one that not everybody's sure. but you have new hampshire, ohio, wisconsin that lean romney. and you have north carolina, i start looking at that map, that's over -- >> 269. is that one away? >> that's a fire row path, and it always comes down to ohio, we feel like a broken record talking about it. but if the president can maintain that advantage in ohio like he had a few days ago, the road gets extremely tough. >> we have got our ground game, but why do you think they keep talking about the debate. >> i think they were stunned, i didn't think they realizeded. >> i think it probably got into all their head. i also think it's a tactic here, if you talk about how moorely the president did, it's just going to fire up his ba
and does romney the candidate stay the guy we saw on saturday night. >> just when we think we have a game changing moment that something else happens, and these polls showing a romney advantage, i still don't think we have polls showing whether those jobs numbers from friday. >> if that maretters, right. you guys have narrowed it down to six states. iowa has been the one that not everybody's sure. but you have new hampshire, ohio, wisconsin that lean romney. and you have north...
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just yesterday romney told the denver post, scene of the new debate tomorrow night, that he wouldn't revoke the visas, the new ones, that the two-year visas, president obama has granted to some young illegal immigrants. in june he said the people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. i'm not going to take something that they've purchased. before those visas expired, we will have the full immigration reform plan i have proposed. compare that to what we heard in the primary campaign about young people here illegally. let's watch that. >> when i was governor i took the action of 'em powering our state police to enforce immigration laws. when you were governor, you said i don't want to build a fence. you put in place a magnet to draw illegals into the state which was giving $10,000 in of tuition credit to illegals that come into this country. >> even the lingo he's using, the derogatories, illegals, as if they're not people first. we m is the president for the center for american progress near rattan
just yesterday romney told the denver post, scene of the new debate tomorrow night, that he wouldn't revoke the visas, the new ones, that the two-year visas, president obama has granted to some young illegal immigrants. in june he said the people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. i'm not going to take something that they've purchased. before those visas expired, we will have the full immigration reform...
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gene robinson, you wrote "obama's off night gives romney an opening." and i do think that joe biden has been out there and is used to getting beat up. and i think will do very well in the debate along with paul ryan. but your column, talking about obama's off night. can you help us out here? we're trying to figure out what happened to president obama. where was he? >> where was he? that's the question. it was really, you know, you kind of watched the thing unfold and just wondered when it was -- when the debate was going to start, basically, because -- and when the president was going to, you know, become president obama again. all the stuff you guys said in the last segment is probably right about that performance. and it's not that unusual, if you look historically for an incumbent president to have a rough time out of the blocks on the debates. and they tend not to do very well in the first one. that was certainly true this year more than most years, i think. you know, look. on the plane coming back, i was with one of the president's most senior advi
gene robinson, you wrote "obama's off night gives romney an opening." and i do think that joe biden has been out there and is used to getting beat up. and i think will do very well in the debate along with paul ryan. but your column, talking about obama's off night. can you help us out here? we're trying to figure out what happened to president obama. where was he? >> where was he? that's the question. it was really, you know, you kind of watched the thing unfold and just...
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it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people out of the bush recession. hopefully over time once we see numbers moving in the right direction, moody's is projecting 10 million more jobs over next 10 years, i'm sorry over next four years. boston consulting saying will get two million manufacturing jobs over the next couple of years. so these are we're on the right track. these are the metrics that need to be brought up and should have been brought up last night in the debate. >> alan, do you know anybody on food stamps or government assistance, alan? >> i do. yeah. >> okay. and
it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people...